tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8445204255254702636.post2415556005013174152..comments2023-10-30T06:51:58.621-07:00Comments on Disillusioned Mormon: I Do Not Hate The LDS ChurchBrother Zelphhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10138332337674962461noreply@blogger.comBlogger89125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8445204255254702636.post-64207586650441853002007-11-10T12:25:00.000-08:002007-11-10T12:25:00.000-08:00We just can't win for losing, can we? The Church ...We just can't win for losing, can we? The Church is wrong because they ignorantly teach that the Lamanites are the principle ancestors of the Native Americans, and that can't possibly be true because of DNA, but then the change is made to add some clarification, the Church gets accused of being revisionists.<BR/><BR/>I rather liked Russell's comments on Mormanity (on just this topic about the tatabughttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01465431241615511545noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8445204255254702636.post-80662939235781000192007-11-10T11:28:00.000-08:002007-11-10T11:28:00.000-08:00Thanks for that link Jeremy .I wonder what else ch...Thanks for that link Jeremy .<BR/><BR/>I wonder what else changes as the years go by ....<BR/><BR/>BofM just Spiritual fiction perhaps ? An easy guess ! lolElder Josephhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12151167504450803568noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8445204255254702636.post-47766553409910988302007-11-08T19:24:00.000-08:002007-11-08T19:24:00.000-08:00One Word Change to the BoM<A HREF="http://www.sltrib.com/faith/ci_7403990" REL="nofollow">One Word Change to the BoM</A>Jeremyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11726005550858397355noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8445204255254702636.post-30731255578959964152007-10-26T10:46:00.000-07:002007-10-26T10:46:00.000-07:00tata,Me too. I'm thinking about participating myse...tata,<BR/><BR/>Me too. I'm thinking about participating myself. I know that the information that can be provided for me is limited, but you know what? I'll take what I can get because I'm fascinated with this stuff.Bishop Rickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05385909789743073477noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8445204255254702636.post-65807040201147825312007-10-24T09:26:00.000-07:002007-10-24T09:26:00.000-07:00BR, Thanks for that information. I hope the proj...BR, <BR/><BR/>Thanks for that information. I hope the project yields some interesting information.tatabughttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01465431241615511545noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8445204255254702636.post-19680119985937062942007-10-24T08:15:00.000-07:002007-10-24T08:15:00.000-07:00tata,The Genographic Project has 2 components. The...tata,<BR/><BR/>The Genographic Project has 2 components. There is the study of 100,000 indigenous tribes around the globe, which is using one set of testing, and there is the testing of the general Public, which is using the Family Tree DNA kits for testing.<BR/><BR/>This information is found on the Genographic Project FAQ webpage and is covered in question 9 pasted below:<BR/><BR/>9. Who is Bishop Rickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05385909789743073477noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8445204255254702636.post-29668374005349134062007-10-24T05:21:00.000-07:002007-10-24T05:21:00.000-07:00EJ,Yes, the Jaredites were wiped out. But it is p...EJ,<BR/><BR/>Yes, the Jaredites were wiped out. But it is possible that portions of the Jaredites could have splintered off at some point and inhabited other parts of the continent(s), just like Hagoth's group did from the Nephites.<BR/><BR/>It is apparent from the BofM that there were other people already in the Americas like the Jaredites as well as others who aren't named specifically. So tatabughttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01465431241615511545noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8445204255254702636.post-62702347196783546002007-10-24T05:05:00.000-07:002007-10-24T05:05:00.000-07:00BR,It appears that Family Tree DNA ("world's first...BR,<BR/><BR/>It appears that <A HREF="http://www.familytreedna.com/" REL="nofollow">Family Tree DNA</A> ("world's first and largest geneology driven DNA testing service")is the company which is providing the test kits for the genographic project. The test seems to be similar to your normal, ordinary take-home kit where you scrape the inside of your cheek, and send it in, indicating whether you tatabughttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01465431241615511545noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8445204255254702636.post-30604121830651877842007-10-24T03:58:00.000-07:002007-10-24T03:58:00.000-07:00tata I thought the Jaredites had extincted themsel...tata <BR/><BR/>I thought the Jaredites had extincted themselves in an almighty battle on Hill Cumorah ,leaving only Shiz and Coriantumr ?<BR/><BR/>and also when Lehi landed it says in the BofM<BR/><BR/>2 Nephi 1:8 And behold, it is wisdom that this land should be kept as yet from the knowledge of other nations; for behold, many nations would overrun the land, that there would be no place for an Elder Josephhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12151167504450803568noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8445204255254702636.post-55445879928082544932007-10-23T17:29:00.000-07:002007-10-23T17:29:00.000-07:00tata,Nice catch. The Genographic Project is indeed...tata,<BR/><BR/>Nice catch. The Genographic Project is indeed using take home kits. I guess what I should have said is that the tests performed are much more sophisticated that those used by the for-profit genealogy companies.Bishop Rickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05385909789743073477noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8445204255254702636.post-37782313409775338962007-10-23T10:29:00.000-07:002007-10-23T10:29:00.000-07:00EJ,I don't doubt that Native Americans have Asian ...EJ,<BR/><BR/>I don't doubt that Native Americans have Asian ancestry, since the BofM mentions different groups already in existence in the Americas upon the arrival of Lehi's family, such as the Jaredites, who may have been largely of Asian origin. There may have been other migrations afterwards as well. All I'm trying to say is that current studies shouldn't be relied upon to prove tatabughttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01465431241615511545noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8445204255254702636.post-68770056689202181242007-10-23T05:44:00.000-07:002007-10-23T05:44:00.000-07:00tata Just look at American Indians Then look at Si...tata <BR/><BR/>Just look at American Indians <BR/>Then look at Siberian Mongoloid Asians <BR/>Then look at Israelis<BR/><BR/>DNA just confirms what is fairly obvious jsut by sight...<BR/><BR/>All those D*C scriptures about preaching to the Lamenites are just Joseph Smiths 'nonsense' .<BR/><BR/>Had he not committed those un called for 'marriage' practices and other abuses of his followers then I Elder Josephhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12151167504450803568noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8445204255254702636.post-19557412687589925122007-10-23T05:33:00.000-07:002007-10-23T05:33:00.000-07:00Whether or not it's a take-home kit isn't as impor...Whether or not it's a take-home kit isn't as important as the fact that DNA tests have limitations. It is my understanding that an over-simplification of the results of DNA testing has led to possible false assumptions of Native American lineage. <BR/><BR/>Anyway, it seems that the global genographic project is also employing the use of take-home kits as well.tatabughttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01465431241615511545noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8445204255254702636.post-21741353948633556742007-10-22T16:27:00.000-07:002007-10-22T16:27:00.000-07:00yea, I read the article as well. It is talking abo...yea, I read the article as well. It is talking about the services offered to the general public. These are not the same tests used to track global migration patterns as performed by the Global Genographic Project.Bishop Rickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05385909789743073477noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8445204255254702636.post-72740531576803179082007-10-22T15:56:00.000-07:002007-10-22T15:56:00.000-07:00Tata Isn't it talking about " Take Home kits " ???...Tata <BR/><BR/>Isn't it talking about " Take Home kits " ????<BR/><BR/>ScienceDaily (Oct. 20, 2007) — For many Americans, the potential to track one's DNA to a specific country, region or tribe with a TAKE-HOME KIT is highly alluring. But while the popularity of genetic ancestry testing is rising - particularly among African Americans - the technology is flawed and could spawn unwelcome societal Elder Josephhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12151167504450803568noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8445204255254702636.post-24447463094418034882007-10-22T06:55:00.000-07:002007-10-22T06:55:00.000-07:00Hey guys,I know this is off-topic, but I found a l...Hey guys,<BR/><BR/>I know this is off-topic, but I found a <A HREF="http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/10/071018145955.htm" REL="nofollow">llink</A> to an article about the unreliability of DNA testing to determine ancestry. ScienceDaily.com reports on an article which will be published in the prestigious <I>Science</I> journal. I found the article interesting and was intrigued by a tatabughttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01465431241615511545noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8445204255254702636.post-14351692866399487862007-10-22T05:57:00.000-07:002007-10-22T05:57:00.000-07:00EJ,I followed the link you gave and read the artic...EJ,<BR/><BR/>I followed the link you gave and read the article, but it wasn't terribly compelling in my opinion. The explanations I have already provided apply in many of the cases I think. Also, the idea that while the translation was divinely inspired, the human element wasn't eliminated, which would account for Joseph's lack of understanding of King James English. Perhaps if he had tatabughttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01465431241615511545noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8445204255254702636.post-83418142860015662842007-10-19T09:54:00.000-07:002007-10-19T09:54:00.000-07:00My Link ....It should read 'Study' lolMy Link ....<BR/><BR/>It should read 'Study' lolElder Josephhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12151167504450803568noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8445204255254702636.post-43636821377069199942007-10-19T09:53:00.000-07:002007-10-19T09:53:00.000-07:00Tata Have a look here for more on the Book of Morm...Tata <BR/><BR/>Have a look here for more on the Book of Mormon and its link with King James bible .. see what you think ..<BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://www.bibletopics.com/BIBLESTUDY/153b.htm" REL="nofollow">Book Of Mormon sudy</A><BR/><BR/>Its very interesting .Elder Josephhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12151167504450803568noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8445204255254702636.post-16132411079142834652007-10-19T07:56:00.000-07:002007-10-19T07:56:00.000-07:00EJ,I guess Joseph missed the commentaries which me...EJ,<BR/><BR/>I guess Joseph missed the commentaries which mentioned that Jesus was born in Bethlehem and not Jerusalem. Go figure. <BR/><BR/>Seriously though, several of the commentaries that Joseph may have had access to suggest that "ships of the sea" should replace "ships of Tarshish" rather than be in addition to.<BR/><BR/>What I want to know is why would Joseph make such a seemingly tatabughttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01465431241615511545noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8445204255254702636.post-30600557296507680182007-10-18T14:53:00.000-07:002007-10-18T14:53:00.000-07:00tata,The only thing I can do to make the existence...tata,<BR/><BR/>The only thing I can do to make the existence of God have any credence is to interpret God in a fashion that makes sense...not nonsense. The scriptures you quote about the foolishness of man and wisdom of God are cute, but at the same time foolish in and of themselves. If those words were found anywhere else other than the bible, they would be ridiculed.<BR/><BR/>So now your sayingBishop Rickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05385909789743073477noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8445204255254702636.post-71090653588304383552007-10-18T13:07:00.000-07:002007-10-18T13:07:00.000-07:00Sister Tatabug,Canopy defense .. I agree to a cer...Sister Tatabug,<BR/><BR/>Canopy defense .. I agree to a certain extent , however if the Bof M had corrected it to 'canopy' then I believe the Mormon apologists would be the first to praise it and confirm its authenticity !<BR/><BR/>I can get back to you on your point ref<BR/><BR/>"The BOM has both phrases, "upon all the ships of the sea, and upon all the ships of Tarshish..." Was it a Elder Josephhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12151167504450803568noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8445204255254702636.post-20987134026588803372007-10-18T09:08:00.000-07:002007-10-18T09:08:00.000-07:00EJ,Hugh Nibley has a question for you:"When Jesus ...EJ,<BR/><BR/>Hugh Nibley has a question for you:<BR/><BR/><I>"When Jesus and the Apostles and, for that matter, the Angel Gabriel quote the [Hebrew] scriptures in the New Testament, do they recite from some mysterious Urtext? Do they quote the prophets of old in the ultimate original? . . . No, they do not. They quote the Septuagint, a Greek version of the Old Testament prepared in the third tatabughttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01465431241615511545noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8445204255254702636.post-16848057065588444322007-10-17T14:28:00.000-07:002007-10-17T14:28:00.000-07:00tata,I cannot reconcile murder of innocent childre...tata,<BR/><BR/>I cannot reconcile murder of innocent children based on an unprovable assumption that they could not have grown up righteous in their current environment.<BR/><BR/>Wouldn't a more humane thing have been to kill the wicked and absorb the innocent?<BR/><BR/>I could believe God calling for that type of solution, but not the lazy unrighteous "kill them all" solution.<BR/><BR/>If Jesus Bishop Rickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05385909789743073477noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8445204255254702636.post-15890656305064691802007-10-17T10:59:00.000-07:002007-10-17T10:59:00.000-07:00Elder Joseph,That draws an excellent point, and it...Elder Joseph,<BR/><BR/>That draws an excellent point, and it is probably worth an entire post regarding the similarities between the Book of Mormon and the Bible. What is really bad is the word-for-word exactness, including the same translation errors as found in the KJV. Then, couple that with our article of faith where we say we believe the Bible to be the word of God as far as it is Brother Zelphhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10138332337674962461noreply@blogger.com