tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8445204255254702636.post7405219405487168919..comments2023-10-30T06:51:58.621-07:00Comments on Disillusioned Mormon: Main reasons for my disillusionmentBrother Zelphhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10138332337674962461noreply@blogger.comBlogger33125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8445204255254702636.post-85691579741967842952008-08-24T18:46:00.000-07:002008-08-24T18:46:00.000-07:00Zelph,I know this post is long over, but I was doi...Zelph,<BR/><BR/>I know this post is long over, but I was doing some research on the Abraham and Ur of the Chaldeans. It seems there is quite a bit of debate about where Ur is located. I found a Baptist blog, and Wikipedia, which seem to corroborate Abraham as being from Ur of the Chaldees. It seems you have some problems with that.<BR/><BR/>Anyway, if you're still reading this, check out <A Mormon Heretichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06041005866499638646noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8445204255254702636.post-90666386726787839032008-05-09T07:03:00.000-07:002008-05-09T07:03:00.000-07:00I would say that all the things you write about in...I would say that all the things you write about in your blog are a "concern" to me, but I do find the doctrines of polygamy and priesthood ban to be of most concern to me. Polygamy is troubling for obvious reasons, but I think what troubles me most is racist teachings of past leaders. While the ban in itself can be scripturally defendable, all the "reasons" why it was so I find to be appalling The Faithful Dissidenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12540938297858510325noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8445204255254702636.post-49088200834184427062008-05-07T20:18:00.000-07:002008-05-07T20:18:00.000-07:00The Faithful Dissident-I appreciate your comments,...The Faithful Dissident-<BR/><BR/>I appreciate your comments, and they really hit home to me. I was where you are now about 2 years ago when I first started to seriously question.<BR/> <BR/>Part of the point of this post was that there is always something quite troubling to some people, and other people might look at the exact same issue and think it is a trivial matter.<BR/><BR/>I think as I Brother Zelphhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10138332337674962461noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8445204255254702636.post-72476262532907332482008-05-07T16:58:00.000-07:002008-05-07T16:58:00.000-07:00Zelph,I'm new to your blog and have just begun to ...Zelph,<BR/><BR/>I'm new to your blog and have just begun to browse, but I think I understand a lot of what you're thinking and feeling. Like you, I was born and raised in the Church. I'm still active and usually attend the 3 hour block as normal on Sundays, but I decided to resign my calling in RS and although I'm an endowed member, I don't feel I should attend the temple at the present time, The Faithful Dissidenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12540938297858510325noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8445204255254702636.post-66795930759709832902008-05-01T16:23:00.000-07:002008-05-01T16:23:00.000-07:00anonymous can't be LDS, because no true LDS person...anonymous can't be LDS, because no true LDS person would spew such hatred...well, there is Brigham Young.Bishop Rickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05385909789743073477noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8445204255254702636.post-63341322235466776992008-04-29T10:26:00.000-07:002008-04-29T10:26:00.000-07:00Anonymous-Thank you for those kind words.Anonymous-<BR/><BR/>Thank you for those kind words.Brother Zelphhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10138332337674962461noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8445204255254702636.post-23983911229532800712008-04-29T06:49:00.000-07:002008-04-29T06:49:00.000-07:00Wow, Anonymous, That wasn't very Christ-like now w...Wow, Anonymous, That wasn't very Christ-like now was it?<BR/><BR/>I hope you do "live long enough to repent" of that sin.Jeremyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11726005550858397355noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8445204255254702636.post-69427520013187476112008-04-29T01:27:00.000-07:002008-04-29T01:27:00.000-07:00Wow, you are so big and bad now that you have expo...Wow, you are so big and bad now that you have exposed the Mormon Church. Who do you think you are you idiot!<BR/><BR/>Its people like you who are a waste of air. Put a gun in your mouth and pull the trigger. We don't need anymore people like you walking around!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8445204255254702636.post-43507993452991169382008-04-27T22:00:00.000-07:002008-04-27T22:00:00.000-07:00Zelph,I used to love to watch "Mysteries of the Bi...Zelph,<BR/><BR/>I used to love to watch "Mysteries of the Bible" on A&E. The series is no more, but you can often find videos of the episodes on eBay for quite cheap. Some of the interesting things I found dealt with the city of Jericho dating to the wrong time period, a Philistine temple found which matches the story of Samson, that Eve was the 2nd woman (Judith was Adam's first wife), that Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8445204255254702636.post-66328498035060175042008-04-27T15:45:00.000-07:002008-04-27T15:45:00.000-07:00anonymous- Often times the church teaches us that ...anonymous- Often times the church teaches us that spiritual things can only be deciphered with the spirit.<BR/><BR/>Does that mean that physical things can only be deciphered with physical evidence?<BR/><BR/>It should go both ways, so if the church makes a claim that the Book of Mormon is a literal history, that claim can only be verified by physical evidence, not spiritual evidence.<BR/><BR/>Brother Zelphhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10138332337674962461noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8445204255254702636.post-85974063750049070252008-04-27T15:40:00.000-07:002008-04-27T15:40:00.000-07:00MH-I am very interested in the topic of biblical i...MH-<BR/><BR/>I am very interested in the topic of biblical inconsistencies, and I admit that I know very little on the subject. Do you know any good references or some good places to start? Thank you in advance.<BR/><BR/>ZelphBrother Zelphhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10138332337674962461noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8445204255254702636.post-22456773103571690422008-04-27T14:28:00.000-07:002008-04-27T14:28:00.000-07:00Anonymous, get a life, tell us who you are, and qu...Anonymous, get a life, tell us who you are, and quit spouting "you're sinning" palaver. You have no idea what you're talking about. Didn't Jesus say "do not judge"? You're not following Jesus when you make these snap judgments. (OK, I repent of my rant now--sorry for the offense I just gave.)<BR/><BR/>Zelph, I encourage you to look at the biblical inconsistencies. I think you will find a Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8445204255254702636.post-51273114042263245102008-04-27T12:19:00.000-07:002008-04-27T12:19:00.000-07:00Dear Zelph, Things of the Spirit are only discerne...Dear Zelph, Things of the Spirit are only discerned by the Spirit--how grateful I am to have Him as my constant companion to decipher between truth and falsehoods; hopefully, you will live long enough to repent, strip yourself of pride and to exercise faith unto repentance. Truly, you have become deceived and are relying on "mammon" rather than the Spirit. I'm sorry for you.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8445204255254702636.post-15629298268631917722008-04-26T20:21:00.000-07:002008-04-26T20:21:00.000-07:00Er, GoC, Not only have I visited those websites, b...Er, GoC, <BR/><BR/>Not only have I visited those websites, but I don't think you noticed that I have a link to those websites, along with<BR/>dialogue and FARMS.<BR/><BR/>What I want is for people to look at both sides of the argument and then determine what you want to do. As I have said many times, my intention is not to bring down the church, or to try to convince people to leave the church.Brother Zelphhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10138332337674962461noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8445204255254702636.post-54282161311417389382008-04-26T19:48:00.000-07:002008-04-26T19:48:00.000-07:00MH-You have drawn some excellent points and observ...MH-<BR/><BR/>You have drawn some excellent points and observations.<BR/><BR/>I don't know very much about the archaeological inconsistencies in the Bible, but I have heard of some of them. I do know that the exist and that many of the same criticisms about the BoM are found with the Bible, particularly the OT.<BR/><BR/>From what I have studied and learned, I believe that many parts of the Bible Brother Zelphhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10138332337674962461noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8445204255254702636.post-28592939909063568772008-04-26T14:09:00.000-07:002008-04-26T14:09:00.000-07:00Abraham destroying the idols is in the Koran.I jus...Abraham destroying the idols is in the Koran.<BR/><BR/>I just wonder if Joseph may have found something related to the Koran. For example, the Gospel of Judas was obviously not written by Judas. The first 5 books of Moses couldn't have been written by Moses because it says "Moses died." Obviously, it is pretty hard to write after one is dead. So, the Chaldean reference could have been edited Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8445204255254702636.post-40142492166351766032008-04-26T02:12:00.000-07:002008-04-26T02:12:00.000-07:00I have found these sites to be helpful. Have you ...I have found these sites to be helpful. Have you tried visiting these sites?<BR/><BR/>http://www.fairlds.org<BR/>http://www.jefflindsay.com/LDS_Intro.shtml<BR/><BR/>I guess that is what is so great about the gospel. There is always more to learn and as we progress, we gain a better understanding. I will admit that these are knew topics for me, but in a way, I am glad because it is not a sin toAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8445204255254702636.post-51754354075786706912008-04-25T21:46:00.000-07:002008-04-25T21:46:00.000-07:00Mormon Heretic,you are welcome to post anytime.I h...Mormon Heretic,<BR/><BR/>you are welcome to post anytime.<BR/><BR/>I have read RSR, and am looking forward to reading "No man knows my history".<BR/><BR/>I haven't heard about the Muslim text you are referring to, but I am certain that the papyri that Joseph Smith came across was not the Book of Abraham as he claimed.<BR/><BR/>I do not believe that Joseph Smith used any other source than his Brother Zelphhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10138332337674962461noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8445204255254702636.post-54429955699758862172008-04-25T21:14:00.000-07:002008-04-25T21:14:00.000-07:00Zelph, I just happened upon your blog, and it soun...Zelph, I just happened upon your blog, and it sounds like we have much in common. I am aware of many of the issues you speak about. Some are more troubling to me than others. I just read Rough Stone Rolling, and found that quite interesting. Have you read it?<BR/><BR/>I haven't read your posts on Abraham, but posted something on my blog about it. While the Book of Abraham may or may not be Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8445204255254702636.post-23815743270053619882008-04-23T21:03:00.000-07:002008-04-23T21:03:00.000-07:00GoC,You might want to check your facts. I can ref...GoC,<BR/><BR/>You might want to check your facts. I can refer you to strictly LDS sources that can verify all the things mentioned. This blog is meant to inform and not to offend, and it is also here to serve as an open forum to discuss matters regarding Mormonism that you might not be able to in your standard LDS forum or setting.Brother Zelphhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10138332337674962461noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8445204255254702636.post-86796271137319217592008-04-23T13:55:00.000-07:002008-04-23T13:55:00.000-07:00"Gospel of Christ" you seem very quick to judge. I..."Gospel of Christ" you seem very quick to judge. I highly recommend reading up on both sides of the argument before saying the words you have spoken.<BR/><BR/>I say this because you follow the typical pattern of an under-educated follower of the LDS church. You have assumed things and accused and last posted with an anonymous account to avoid future retribution from the people who you are Jeremyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11726005550858397355noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8445204255254702636.post-68452872397787941672008-04-22T20:50:00.000-07:002008-04-22T20:50:00.000-07:00Been a member for 37 years and I haven't heard any...Been a member for 37 years and I haven't heard any of these things. Wow, where do I begin with you? Sounds to me like you are reading lies spread by anti-Mormons. Maybe you should spend some time reading the scriptures and think. I have been a member for 37 years, don't you think that if any of those things were true that I would know about them? If I wanted to learn about Catholicism, I Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8445204255254702636.post-11558747122906909462008-04-22T01:11:00.000-07:002008-04-22T01:11:00.000-07:00I would refer them to this video to start.http://w...I would refer them to this video to start.<BR/><BR/>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZQJc5SxnVs<BR/><BR/>It is straight forward and it comes from an active member.Brother Zelphhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10138332337674962461noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8445204255254702636.post-54335292992475412152008-04-22T00:44:00.000-07:002008-04-22T00:44:00.000-07:00I appreciate your style here. I think I can relat...I appreciate your style here. I think I can relate to wanting to inform rather than offend... Even as an active member, I have had to be careful in the way I present things to friends or other members. I do agree, that many know very little, and hold on to what I see as myths or folklore, or just plain inaccuracy.<BR/><BR/>Have any suggestions? For example, a home teacher of mine once told meadamfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06177880599252455507noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8445204255254702636.post-70446874469597716482008-04-22T00:32:00.000-07:002008-04-22T00:32:00.000-07:00Adam,My main concern is that as I speak vaguely to...Adam,<BR/><BR/>My main concern is that as I speak vaguely to members on certain topics, without going into too much detail, it is surprising how little they know, or how many historical inaccuracies they are taught within the church. <BR/><BR/>The purpose of this blog is to help inform, and not to offend.Brother Zelphhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10138332337674962461noreply@blogger.com